Anyone who runs thinks it sucks at least some of the time. Those first couple km in particular suck, when your legs, heart and brain haven't yet got their act together. But that suckiness is at the centre of why running is so good too. Type 2 fun they call it - a little bit grim while you're doing it, but totally excellent and rewarding in retrospect. In this episode, we talk to Raziq Rauf, runner and writer, and author of the most excellent substack Running Sucks. (Not to mention a great new book on running culture called THIS IS RUNNING.)

Dive in and enjoy the episode - this is type 1 fun for your ears.